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It's the Clydesdale and Cowboy hanging

out.

The quarterfinals are done.

And there's a really fit woman in the

chat.

Yes, she is.

Really fit.

Not only did she crush the open,

she crushed the quarterfinals.

Top ten finish in her age group.

Lito Caligiani.

Did I get that close?

Caligiani.

I don't know if that's right or not.

I just made that up,

but it sounds good.

Ridiculously fit, dude.

I was chatting with her yesterday.

She smashed it.

It's insane.

And they just keep coming, man.

Denise just popping in here.

CrossFit Games champion.

All we need is Shanna Bunce to jump

in with the CrossFit Games championship.

I'm sure she's coming.

She said I did very good.

Very good.

She gave me the... Are there, Shanna?

We got all the fit women here today.

Love it, dude.

Love it, love it, love it.

So yesterday I teased something about Ben

Bergeron.

Oh, God, yes.

I forgot all about it.

It's been a whirlwind.

I was leafing through YouTube and I saw

this thumbnail pop up.

so it now i have to so i

teased this yesterday yeah because i think

it's pretty well known that matt was kind

of fit before he got to ben and

he was really fit after ben and

I have to, gosh, how do I?

If there is one person that I kind

of despise in CrossFit, it's Ben Bergeron.

And what's crazy is when I first got

into CrossFit and I was like drinking

Kool-Aid out of both hands and all that

stuff,

I listened to Chasing Excellence like

every time it came on.

But the dude,

all the dude does is talking cliches.

Big ones.

It's a ten-point system for building a

better mindset.

It's the six-point system for this.

Everything's a TED Talk.

Everything's in bullets.

Everything's in cliches.

And so I had to hear what he

had to say about building the fittest man

in the world.

So I got,

I don't know if you saw the red

line.

I did not make it through this podcast.

I would imagine you didn't.

I guarantee you this much,

you got further than I would have.

You could write that part down right now.

But I made it as far as the

discussion on Matt Frazier.

Mm-hmm.

And in all fairness,

this is not chasing excellence.

This is not his podcast.

He did not create this thumbnail.

It was somebody else.

Uh, her name is Dr. Kristin Holmes.

He was on with her.

She's the one that created that thumbnail.

He never claims in the podcast that he

built the fittest man on earth.

Thank God.

And actually,

he takes a very subdued approach to it,

which I was really surprised about.

Good for him.

He actually says that he only discovered

Matt because he tried to get into a

competition he was holding.

And he submitted a video because it was

by invite only,

or you could submit a video of this

one workout.

And then if you got it,

if you had like a great score and

he,

the best score in was seven minutes and

Matt submitted his at three.

Wow.

And so that's why Bergeron let him in.

And before the competition even happened,

Ben reached out to him and said, Hey,

I'd like to help you if you'd move

to Boston.

And so he did.

But he said, listen,

I was just helping him.

He already had the gymnastics.

He already had the weightlifting.

He already had the drive.

And I just kind of was there to

help guide everything around it.

And he said he even hired like movement

specific coaches that worked with him and

all that stuff.

That was not me at all.

Like he hired a nutritionist.

He hired a weightlifting coach.

So whoever this chick is,

Andrew Hiller does like putting up the

clickbait headline.

Yeah.

Okay.

And the rest of the podcast was the

guiding principles and the six bullet

points of this,

the eight bullet points of that,

the ten bullet points of that.

Standard Ben Bajeron babbling nonsense.

Got it.

But I was thinking about it,

and you know I'm a sports fan and

everything else, especially football.

And I think of Ben Bergeron as that

coach.

And I compare him to like Mike Martz.

And if you don't know who Mike Martz

was,

he was the offensive coordinator of the

Rams of the early two thousands that were

known as the greatest show on turf.

The Kurt Warner, Marshall Falk,

Isaac Bruce, Torrey Holt.

It could not be stopped.

But whenever Mike Martz went to coach

anybody else, he failed miserably.

Because he had one system that worked for

this group and never developed or adapted

to anybody else.

And that's the way I view Ben Bergeron.

He was good with Katrin.

Pause.

In all fairness, he truly did coach her.

And she won two championships.

Back to back.

But when he tried to make a training

center and he brought people in,

most of them broke down and didn't even

make it through a season.

No, it failed miserably.

So I looked,

I looked at that as that same guy,

that coach that cannot,

he has the same cliches he had in

two thousand twelve when I first started

listening to him.

Nothing has changed.

He doesn't adapt and develop.

No, and the game has changed.

The game has changed from when I started

CrossFit, period, and started competing,

which is about a year after I started.

It was when I started realizing you could

compete and started doing local comps and

stuff like that.

It's not the same thing, dude.

That was twenty eighteen is now twenty

twenty six, eight years in and.

Training methods have changed.

Equipment has changed, gotten better,

developed grips.

You have to take all that kind of

stuff into account.

Mindset stuff has definitely shifted from

what it used to be to what it

is now.

You think for half a second that somebody

would throw dirt on Jason Hopper while he

was doing push-ups and they would get away

with that?

no because i can pretty much promise you

that wouldn't go that wouldn't fly would

not fly all right i followed comp train

for a very long time um and all

credit to it because it you know their

extra programming definitely helped me

along um as far as that goes but

once i switched it was absolutely insane

what it's what my journey's been like

since then so

And I did the same thing as you,

like when I first got in and I

figured out who he was and listened to

his stuff and like, man,

this is really good stuff.

And then after a while,

it's like you could go through his podcast

collection and it's the same talk.

Yeah,

just put the first ten episodes on loop

and you get it all.

It's the same over and over again.

He's been having the same six

conversations, eight conversations,

whatever it is,

for God only knows how long.

Daniel says Comtrain might have been the

absolute worst online programming that

ever existed.

So I would,

I don't know if worst ever existed.

I would argue that just from, right.

I would argue that from my own experience,

it has ups and downs in the,

let's see, nineteen, twenty,

twenty five or so years that I did

it.

It definitely went through cycles,

but I feel like all programs do that

kind of stuff, right?

You have good months, you have bad months,

you have good seasons,

you have bad seasons.

In the past couple of years,

especially since they're no longer comp

trained, they are complete training.

It has completely gone to crap,

in my opinion.

Here's my beef with it.

My gym did it for five years, maybe.

It was the most boring thing.

training I've ever done.

I'm never going to be a games athlete.

That was never my goal coming into this.

I just wanted to have fun with my

friends and be as fit as I could

possibly be.

And to do something like I'm going to

try to be some kind of big games

athlete and be programmed like I'm

training for that did not fit what I

wanted in gym programming.

I wanted to go have fun while I

was getting fit because I'm not trying to

win.

I might enter a local comp,

but I ain't trying to win the games.

I don't need...

to evaluate last year's game season and

say, well,

we got to focus on dumbbell hang snatches

and then do them six times a month.

Like that.

I don't need that shit.

Yeah, no, I agree.

Uh, Shanna says, I said,

you're still involved with country.

I believe he is.

I think I saw a reel where him

and Ben were working out together.

He still does.

He is the last I checked.

So they had some really good coaches.

And then they all left one at a

time and went to HWPO, went to Proven,

went to, like,

they had really good coaches that were in

charge of the competitor program,

whatever you want to call it,

stuff that I was following.

And one by one, they all left.

Like, they would come in.

They'd be there for a little while.

Hey, we got a new coach.

This is this guy, blah, blah, blah,

whatever, and they would move on.

And now, as far as I know,

because I haven't, like I said,

I haven't done it in three years,

Cole was in charge of it.

And I have no idea what the quality

is like.

But I know it was.

And I can tell you that class programming

is still,

there's some wacky shit going on.

What I do appreciate about the evolution

of programming for affiliates is there's a

compete track usually,

and then there's the everyday just want to

be fit track.

And those two should not mesh together.

Because you want to retain your everyday

average Joe athlete and make them want to

come back to the gym every day to

do the next workout.

Where the compete track,

that's a different animal.

Those are people that are driven and want

more.

The compete stuff is not fantastic for

general pop.

depending on what it is.

I mean, everything is scalable.

Well,

you can take a piece of it and

put in gen pop.

Yeah.

If I showed you what a full day,

just a regular full day of my training

looks like,

and I don't do all of it,

most people's heads would spin because,

like,

We have a lot.

But Brandon says specifically, hey,

I'm not expecting everybody to do all of

this every single day.

I know how much it is.

You have options to where if you need

to work on this, here's this.

If you need to work on that,

here's that.

You want to lift?

Cool.

Here's this.

You want accessories?

Boom.

We got a whole bunch of that.

Here's the Metcon.

Here's the various levels.

You can't take that.

It doesn't translate over to a class as

well because it's just too much.

It's just too much.

Wayne says,

Ben was fortunate to witness Matt becoming

the fittest on earth.

Matt would have succeeded regardless of

what programming he attached his name to.

And in fairness,

Ben did say that in this interview.

Ben essentially said, Matt came in,

we gave him a gymnastics move,

and he could do it without ever trying

it and do it first attempt successfully.

Because he freestyle skied,

and so he had body awareness.

His parents were Olympic athletes.

He had the genes and the makeup to

pretty much be able to adapt and do

anything on the fly.

And he was a junior Olympic weightlifter.

So, like, he knew how to snatch.

He knew how to clean and jerk.

He knew how to do all of that

stuff.

He had a real good base of strength

before he went in there, like,

he had all the tools in the drawer.

He also said he's a four point O

engineering student who would memorize

full textbooks.

Correct.

Like anomaly dude.

He was so driven even in education to

be the best he could be with all

of that stuff.

Um, and so it,

it really was clickbait after I clicked on

Ben did not take credit for Matt in

the interview.

Um,

It was just clickbait on the thumbnail.

And yeah.

And he actually gave a lot of credit

to his individual coaches of like

nutrition, weightlifting, gymnastics,

as much as taking any credit himself.

Good for him.

Carolyn said,

I would say that for a lot of

top athletes with any program.

Yeah.

Nine times out of ten.

They come in with tools.

Any good coach is going to do that,

really with anybody,

but especially with top athletes.

Okay, what can you do?

What are your strengths?

What are your weaknesses?

Let's look at that.

Okay, good.

We got that down.

Here's a program.

We're going to shore up your strengths and

we're going to work on,

we're going to hammer the shit out of

your weaknesses.

Let's go.

My only argument to Carolyn would be if

you're an athlete like Carolyn or like

Matt Fraser or like Danny Spiegel,

you are better equipped to adapt to

whatever comes your way when you first

start a program.

And so I think – I just think

that that –

that makes a big difference.

How,

what athleticism you come to the table

with full credit to Matt's athleticism

walking in the door.

If I get Carolyn Prevost walking to my

gym, right.

And there's nothing you can throw at her

that she can't do.

And I'm like,

I'm salivating at the mouth at that point.

Like, Oh, well, okay.

Okay.

Well, I mean, she's playing double on it.

She's just not real good at it.

oh but seriously like you look at it

she walks in you're like oh okay here

we go and you start you got to

start like poking and prodding at it to

see what she actually can't do or what

her weaknesses are because anything you

throw at her she's like oh yeah no

i can do that oh yeah no i

can do that uh savan says only coach

have to make a female male and female

and female champ in the same year

It's all like perspective, right?

Because you could say Shane Orr had Matt

and Tia in twenty twenty.

Yeah.

So I would say first coach to have

male and female the same year,

because I would say, I mean,

when Matt and Tia were training together.

I mean, with Shane, their coach,

I kind of feel like he kind of

I mean, he probably served as their coach.

He did,

I think as much as Ben did.

Yeah, a hundred percent, dude.

I mean, Matt shows up, right?

And Shane's like, oh, already then.

Yeah.

Like,

I don't know if Shane was tweaking Matt's

game that much at that point in his

career,

but he was technically his coach at the

games.

Correct.

Correct.

Correct.

Yeah, don't program double unders.

Eddie, I asked you a question, Corey.

Do you want that or an athlete who

is willing to put in the daily work

to be better on everything?

Ideally both.

In an ideal world, you want both.

Somebody who's good but thinks that

they're not.

Right.

Somebody who looks at stuff and goes,

I can only do sets of a hundred

dumbbell and there's unbroken.

And you're like,

you have to sit there and kind of

process that for a second and go, okay,

do you say only?

Cause that doesn't make any sense.

Like I'm not clocking that.

So yeah, ideally both.

You want somebody who is willing to work

and do put in, you know,

all the blood, sweat, tears,

all that kind of stuff,

but it helps if they know what they're

doing.

whenever they get there or adaptable,

right?

So there's that.

Like I said,

we talked about the story on the street.

And from the Savon Rumor Mill,

story on the street.

Man of the people.

The story on the street,

Shane did all of Matt's programming.

I don't disagree that he did the

programming.

Yeah.

I just don't think there's anything Shane

had to tell Matt.

Like, hey, I hope you beat Tia today.

Or you played tighter in your trip.

Or I don't think there was a lot

of technique coaching going on.

No, no, no.

There wasn't any.

Your ring muscle-ups could use a little

work.

Let me modify you to that.

And maybe he did.

But I just don't see a whole lot

of that happening,

especially not by the time he got to

where him and Tia were hanging out.

And then HWPO programming originally was

Shane's programming and now Bad Blood.

If you look at Matt's book in the

workouts that he was doing,

it became what HWPO was.

So if those are the workouts he was

doing while he was with Shane in the

book, and then it moves over to,

then that tracks.

Yeah, makes sense.

Absolutely makes sense.

And what's funny is in the podcast,

Ben actually talks about the rowing

intervals and all that stuff that Matt did

on his own.

He won everything he was weaker than other

athletes on.

He just pounded until he got good enough.

Yeah.

When at that point you don't have to

beat,

you don't have to beat everybody in a

rowing workout.

You just have to be able to not

get your ass handed to you by everybody

in a rowing workout.

Believe me, I know all about that.

He started winning some of those things.

Yeah.

Like those sprints and the rowing stuff.

He like,

he wasn't the best rower in the game,

but he was pretty damn good.

No,

and when he went and learned how to

run, I mean, that's a watershed moment,

right?

That's an all-time game's highlight of him

running down the field and beating

everybody in that sprint where the year

before that he got it.

I mean,

that video of him from the year before

where he's looking around and he's

narrating and he goes, and I'm just like,

how is everybody so fast?

Well, it's not that everybody was so fast.

It's just that he was that slow.

Because once he caught up,

nobody else in the year following that,

the other people did not get that much

faster or didn't.

You know what I'm saying?

Like they stayed where they were.

He just caught up is all there was

to it.

Yeah.

Do coaches get credit for creating an

environment in which athletes can

flourish?

I think that is a definite yes.

I think if you look at what Colton's

been saying about his relationship with

Joey –

that he feels better at a competition when

Joey is there as his support.

Yeah.

I think there is a comfort that is

created,

and it doesn't always have to be through

programming or through the environment.

Just being there and knowing what the

needs are of your athlete.

Yeah.

That coach-athlete relationship,

relationship is super duper important.

Like if you are not comfortable, if you,

you,

you have to be matched up with the

right person, right?

It doesn't matter.

It does.

I'll say it doesn't matter.

It matters less what they know and matters

more what they can provide to you.

Does that make sense?

Like programming is programming.

When it comes down to it,

everybody's got a row.

Everybody's got to lift weights.

Everybody's got to do all the gymnastics

and all that kind of stuff right there.

But your coach instilling,

being able to instill in you, um,

the level of confidence that you're going

to need to be able to get out

on the floor and do the things that

you are capable of doing like that's

paramount right building up that belief

building a bad environment like you said

about what uh what colton said he feels

better he you know that dude is is

giving him the things that he needs

mentally to be able to push past what

his boundary what his perceived boundaries

are i think that's amazing

When I think even Matt said that Shane

doing the programming took something off

of him that allowed him to focus on

other things.

Yeah.

Well, it's just like, I mean,

as he progressed, right?

So second, second meets Sammy, right?

Sammy starts taking off of all his daily

stuff.

He doesn't have to cook anymore.

Not that he cooked before,

but she starts taking all of that kind

of stuff off.

Well,

now he's got that much more time and

mental capacity to focus on that.

And then same thing,

like he gets to Shane and him and

like,

now I don't have to worry about

programming because clearly he knows what

he's doing because Tia's, you know,

smashing everybody at that point.

One less thing that he has to actually

do.

I mean, that's ridiculous, dude.

Like as far as that kind of stuff

is concerned.

Denise Moore,

when my coach is at a competition,

I tend to do better.

I always feel the need to please my

coach.

I had that need ever since high school

sports.

Carolyn Prevost says he didn't get that

much faster sprinting.

He just recovered more than the other

people.

So the perception is that all of a

sudden he could sprint.

Well,

and if you go look back at fourteen

and fifteen, he died on Saturday.

Bad.

Like he was he was the Matt we

became to know on the first couple of

days of the games and Saturday he would

hit a wall.

Yeah, I mean, he fell smooth off.

I mean,

how many failed kettlebell deadlifts did

he have in that final workout against Ben

in XV that allowed Ben to win the

games in XV?

It was painful to watch.

And then after that,

you never saw Matt have those failures

again.

No, I like it,

as a matter of fact, whenever they did,

was it Fibonacci,

like two years in a row in the

first year?

He just kind of coasted through it because

he was taking it in.

In the second year, he was like,

all right,

let me see what I can actually do,

and then went through.

That kind of stuff was wild to watch

because he was still that fresh at that

point in the game where he was like

he could afford to go out and take

risk at that point and just see what

was going to happen.

Yeah.

So many people hate on Ben and discredit

his success.

And yet he had Cole, Matt, Katrin,

et cetera.

I don't think it was luck.

I think that he was really good as

a one type of coach.

And I use the analogy into a football

metaphor earlier.

You may be a great coach with the

right players on your team.

And then when you go to a different

team with a different group of players,

your system doesn't work anymore.

And ever since Ben went away from those

three and tried to bring other people into

that format, it's failed.

And what I,

what I criticize Ben for is lack of

adaptation to other athletes.

Yeah, I think it's pretty apparent.

So

And maybe the reason he took a step

back involved that he,

that the game was starting to pass him

by.

I would want to represent agree with that.

And I think he was wise enough,

perceptive enough to kind of see it and

pass it on down to somebody else.

You know,

he thought he was going to be able

to be,

to keep it moving and just take a

step back and I'm going to go ahead

and just put my focus somewhere else.

Yeah.

But I do think,

and this is probably the case with a

lot of coaches,

the athlete has to be the right fit

with the coach.

The coach has to be the right fit

for the athlete.

It's symbiotic in some ways.

It has to be.

And when they tried to do the big

academy and they tried to do this mass

camp thing,

I think a lot of camps like Proven,

like HWPO,

learned that to do this in mass is

not doable at one location.

Proven adjusted, HWPO adjusted.

Ben just shut it down at that point.

So anyway, it was just,

I saw that on YouTube and out and

just for people jumping in late,

this is what,

what sparked the whole debate.

And that, what that is this,

how I built the fittest man in the

world.

But again,

Ben did not create the thumbnail.

A whole different podcast.

A whole different podcast.

Full transparency.

This was another person's podcast.

They created this.

I just saw it and I was like,

whoa.

I think that's why my hair stood up

so much yesterday whenever you said it

because I was like,

did he really come out with that?

Did Ben say that himself?

That's wildly...

but it was somebody else and it's one

hundred percent clickbait.

So good on her for baiting people in.

Make me watch it because I wanted to

hear how he built them in the interview.

He does not take,

he really doesn't take much credit for

Matt at all in the interview.

So anyway, moving on.

So quarterfinals ended last night.

Yes, sir.

Yesterday afternoon, I guess noon.

Two p.m.

my time.

Three p.m.

your time.

And, whoops.

Noon and the only time zone that Savant

cares about.

We have the unofficial leaderboard.

What you'll notice this year is if the

scores have been validated,

it is regular font.

If the score was not validated,

it is italicized.

So, on the men's side,

I got to just say I was shocked.

Flabbergasted would be a good word.

I was flabbergasted over a lot of things.

I thought Colton won for sure.

Yeah.

I thought he won going away.

I thought nobody would touch Tudor in that

Double under workout.

He came in seventh.

Insane.

And so Jay Crouch wins quarterfinals

unofficially.

Austin Hadfield second.

Jeffrey Adler third.

Saxon and Spencer Pancheck come

back-to-back fourth and fifth.

Yonikoski sixth.

Colton Merton seventh.

Noah Olsen eighth.

Nate Ackerman ninth.

And Ricky Garrard tenth.

Oh, Ricky Mack.

I'm talking about the Panchak twins coming

in right next to each other.

What's more flabbergasting?

Big brother in twenty second.

That's not flabbergasting.

That dude has been fit his entire life,

his entire career.

That does not surprise me in the least.

He's right there with Jason Hopper and

Dallin Pepper.

Mm hmm.

But yeah, really surprised about all that.

Any big surprises for you?

I mean,

aside from Colton not being in first,

the rest of it makes sense to me,

one hundred percent.

But like, I really didn't think,

first of all.

The fact that somebody went faster than

Tudor's time on that deadlift double under

workout is wild, like completely,

completely wild.

This one also hit me from the blind

side.

I know Kyra's fit.

I understand that,

but I didn't think she was that fit.

If you would have given me twenty guesses

on who would win the quarterfinals,

Kyra would not have shown up in my

list.

No.

So, good on her,

because that blew my mind completely as

well.

Like, Ariel, okay.

Danielle, sure.

Lucy Campbell, Lucy McGonigal, yep.

Why not?

Miriam.

Miriam, yep.

And for Kyra to knock all of those

girls down, that's outstanding.

Good on her, dude.

Like, for real.

And seeing the workouts,

I can see Andrea Solberg.

I can see Elena Caratala.

Those fit them.

I could see all of that.

But man,

the Kyra thing just smacked me right

between the eyes.

And look, good owner.

Good owner.

That's amazing.

I'm happy for her.

But holy smokes, that was shocking.

Look at Olivia in twelfth.

Yep.

There's kind of the list.

No,

no real surprises in the top twenty five.

No.

So I saw I saw a couple.

I saw a couple.

Italicized ones last night and they've all

been removed.

From the top twenty five of women's.

So.

Yeah, when ours came out yesterday,

I was looking through the leaderboard,

just kind of digging around for some of

that stuff that was going to end up

getting removed.

I think, I say I think,

I have absolutely nothing to base this on,

but there was some dude that had,

in my age group, it's gone now,

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squat clean workout and i was like no

you didn't no you didn't you just didn't

maybe that was your tie break time and

you entered it wrong but you did not

do the forty bar muscle ups and eighty

hang squat cleans in six minutes and seven

seconds and that didn't that actually came

off pretty quick so i was i was

kind of excited about that but

Ed,

I hope Kyra and Kiefer keep this up

for the games and didn't peak too soon.

Rooting for her to make it back to

the games this year.

If I'm going to be completely transparent

and honest about Kyra,

I met her back in the underdog days.

I didn't think she was serious enough

about death to be this good.

And I felt like she didn't have the

belief in herself.

She was very self-deprecating in her

humor.

She was always fun.

She was a great interview.

Love talking to her.

All of those things.

Just didn't sure she did.

Wasn't sure she had all that.

So if she has gotten all of that.

Yeah, I do.

Getting your headspace straightened out is

a game changer.

Yeah.

In a quarterfinals that was not heavy?

Correct.

Yeah.

I'm telling you, dude,

getting your headspace right,

I guess you could say,

is a game changer.

If that's what it took,

and this is a sign of things to

come, yeah,

she's going to be fun to watch the

rest of the season.

Yeah.

Like I said,

it smacked me between the eyes.

If she was this good on these workouts,

what is to come for her?

Wish her nothing but the best.

I've met Kiefer at the last Southland camp

that we had, and that dude's awesome.

she's hanging out with him and she is.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I, uh, my,

my biggest memory with her is one of

the years she didn't make the games.

We were in Madison.

I was sitting on some steps and I

was doing Instagram updates and she sat

down beside me and we did an update

on the games sitting on these steps and

she was all in on it again,

always fun,

always willing to jump in and do whatever.

Um,

just wasn't sure she had that that dog

right yeah it seems there seems she may

have adopted one yeah so super impressed

with her her quarterfinals performance um

so yeah uh

Anything else on the doc today?

I don't have a lot of notes.

I don't have any notes, actually.

I didn't take a note today.

I don't have any notes either,

oddly enough.

No, dude.

Have you ever taken a note for this

show?

Yes.

Oh, wow.

I have.

I have.

I don't remember what it was for,

but I remember writing some stuff down,

so I didn't forget about it.

Oh, Denise.

Denise.

uh denise said i got the flu real

bad right lit right after twenty six point

three high fever for days a burpee over

the bar workout killed me i couldn't

breathe that would happen to me without

the flu

Shout out to everybody who made semis.

Mr.

Joseph Ramirez finished inside that top

four hundred in our age group.

He is going to be moving on to

online semifinals.

He just put it in earlier that he

got his scores validated.

Shout out to Mr. David Johnson.

He and I have been chatting a whole

lot past couple of days just by the

leaderboard and what it looks like and

hoping to get an invite at some point

to be able to go compete in person.

I think I did.

I think I did enough,

which is what I was trying to do

this season.

That was my biggest goal for the year

that I wrote down was to be able

to finish high enough and put me in

a spot to be able to go compete

in person.

So,

If we are giving shout outs,

let me first shout out Thirdsy.

It is the game changer that will help

you recover on the weekends.

It will help you get ready for this

Easter holiday weekend this weekend.

It'll get you ready for semifinals,

all of that stuff.

And you can get fifteen percent off by

using code Jazzy at checkout or going to

Thirdsy.com backslash Jazzy.

But other shout outs,

our very own Carolyn Prevost,

finishing forty fifth in the world in the

elite division.

In addition to that,

she took first in the age group,

thirty five to thirty nine.

She's an animal.

Jamie,

who is taking the year off because of

hip surgery.

Twenty second in her age group.

She's taking a year off and she finished

thirty something spots ahead of me.

And Corey Leonard, you,

the man finishing fifty seventh in your

age group and moving on to semis.

And hopefully you get that in-person

invite to either Magic City or Legends so

we can see you out there on the

floor.

Micah,

if you watch and I would really like

Birmingham six hours from here.

I do not want to have to fly

halfway across the country.

Actually,

I'm not flying halfway across the country.

I'm just not.

It's too much.

That's an excellent question.

So Denise is asking,

is Jamie going to do semis?

So I will say it depends.

And she has told me what the parameters

are and her limitations with her body.

But I will leave that for her to

say publicly.

I'm going to text her after we get

off this.

It all appears on what the workouts are.

I don't think she's going to try to

go do an in-person.

I think if she does it,

it will be the online just because of

her recovery from the hip surgery.

Right.

So David's comment right there.

So that's what mostly what he and I

have been chatting about.

So if you take a list of people

from Kane Hayes down to me, right?

Kane finished quarterfinals in first in my

age group.

Mostly take out the international names,

okay?

Like the guys that are in Europe,

the guys in South America.

I highly doubt Kane is flying from

Australia to come over here just to do

an in-person semifinal when there's one in

Australia.

And now all of a sudden,

I have a way better chance of getting

an invite to somewhere.

So that's what me and David have been

doing.

Mostly David's been doing it,

if I'm being completely honest.

He was running the names this morning.

We were chatting about it.

Ed asks,

can we expect Clydesdale Media to maybe

stream, announce a semifinal comp,

maybe a smaller comp?

It's something I've always wanted to do.

Ed, when I was a kid,

I wanted to be a sports broadcaster.

That's why I started this podcast because

I gave up on that dream when I

was like, I was like, I was like,

I was like, I was like,

I was like, I was like,

I was like, I was like,

I was like, I was like,

I was like, I was like,

I was like, I was like,

I was like, I was like,

I was like, I was like,

I was like, I was like,

I was like, I was like,

I was like, I was like,

I was like, I was like,

I was like, I was like,

I was like, I was like,

I was like, I was like,

I was like, I was like,

I was like, I was like,

I was like, I was like,

few years back i don't want to get

into the details of why that fell through

right but it's led to some animosity with

some people um but other than that i

would love to do it at some point

But right now,

I've got to get through what I'm going

through medically,

and hopefully after this season,

we can refocus, re-energize,

and get back into doing maybe a smaller

comp or something like that and get our

feet wet and see what we can do.

A lot of work,

but I imagine it's fun as shit.

Jamie, Natty are not incoming.

ever seen that girl eat you understand

that she is one hundred percent natural

it's it's amazing to watch yeah it's so

every time we go out to eat every

the waiter always thinks her meal is mine

yeah and mine is hers and i'm like

no you gotta you gotta switch those and

they look at me with wide eyes like

really

Really?

I had wide eyes watching her going, oh,

and she just kind of giggled and she

went, yeah, I can eat whatever I want.

And I was like, I see that.

Oh, uh, Shannon's doing her semis online.

That's the other thing we were talking

about as far as that kind of stuff

is,

is me and David was like the people

who are just not going to go in

person.

Like we was going to, you know,

feel more comfortable doing semifinals at

their own gym.

I guess go ahead and just go the

online route.

Cause honestly,

if you're looking at just the numbers

game,

you get a way better chance of making

it from the online.

Cause they're just taking more people than

if you showed up for in person,

but I want the in-person experience.

I need more experience.

Yeah.

Being in there, being in the trenches,

going against those guys that are

games-level athletes.

Is Jamie enjoying the Big Blue success?

I think I can safely speak for her

on that, and that is an absolute no.

If it ain't green and white in Michigan,

she ain't for it.

If you go to her house,

the whole living room is decorated in

Michigan State.

It's crazy.

Lito is doing online semis,

then the French throwdown on back-to-back

weekends, so May should be fun.

If anybody's fit enough to handle that,

it's Lito Calagiani.

I will say this, Lito, to that point,

is that I'll probably be doing him

If I get an invite to Magic City,

I'll be doing Magic City and then doing

online the week after.

So I know where you're at.

Meg,

that sounds like terrible decorations.

Well, not how I would decorate my house.

And again, Meg,

I have no say in how my house

is decorated.

So speaking of which,

so I got these floating shelves that my

wife wanted.

And I said,

all I need for you to do is

put a line,

a pen line on the wall where you

want the center of the shelf to be

both height and width.

And I will put them up.

It has been four days.

I still don't have a line.

And yet when we're in public with other

people, well,

I gave them a chore list and the

chore list is just sitting there.

Cause the minute I know I put up

those shelves and I don't use her line,

it's going to be, it's up too high.

It's down too low.

You put it off to the right too

much.

I ain't doing that.

Yes.

Good luck leader.

You're going to kill it.

She's going to smash it, dude.

She's going back to the games.

Her and I had a discussion yesterday.

Denise,

thank goodness Delmar is two weeks before

the online semis.

She's the only one signed up.

Age group.

I think she's going to be okay.

Meg says, just put them up.

I have done that.

And then I've been ridiculed for years

about the placement.

I am not.

I'm not falling in for that trap.

Yeah, exactly.

I'll be sleeping on the couch tonight.

um i don't know if most wives notice

oh she must be thinking about the location

still i don't know if most wives notice

but if you get banished to the couch

it's like going on a camping trip like

it's not really that big a deal like

i'm gonna bring a blanket and a pillow

i'm gonna watch tv until i fall asleep

like it's someone snoring beside me yeah

and worry about knees in my back at

any point during the night no i'm good

dude

Daniel, this has gone through my head.

It's almost like she wants me to fail.

So she can hold it over my head

for the next ten years.

That's funny.

I'm sorry.

Wayne's got the strategy.

Rev up the drill a few times and

then she'll come running to make sure

they're in the right place.

Not even for that.

What are you doing?

What are you doing?

Why is the drill on?

What are you doing?

Well,

I'm trying to get your attention and tell

me where you put these shelves up,

because if not,

I'm just going to put them up wherever

and however I want.

So when they come up looking like this,

I feel like I want to go Art

Deco and make them all slanty.

Then you ain't got nothing to say about

it.

They would never be slanty.

I am like, you know,

about like getting the level out,

making sure the shelf is just slanted.

My wife is one of those people should

start a project in the middle of it,

go F it and then walk away.

Oh yeah, no,

we don't do that at the house.

And then I'm like, well now I,

and I really believe it's her tactic to

get me to finish the job.

Mm-hmm.

Or she starts and does such a bad

job with like the paint strokes and the

drips and the, or something like that.

And I'm like, no, no, go sit down.

And that's exactly what she wanted in the

first place.

Yeah.

Got it.

So,

so there is a method to her madness.

I never,

ever said the female gender is stupid.

Oh, no.

Not at all.

My wife's the smartest person I know.

And I know some pretty smart people.

Yeah.

And she knows what she's doing.

Like,

we're coming up on our twenty ninth

wedding anniversary in May.

And we dated for five years before that.

Oh.

Thirty four.

So we've been together thirty four years.

I know her tricks.

She knows mine.

My wife is great at paint construction.

However, is like she is sacking wildcats.

Exactly.

My wife.

So we got this new thing for our

car because with my sinuses,

I blow my nose a lot.

So it's like a tissue holder that connects

to your center console.

But it also has like a pad to

put your arm on.

It adds two cup holders, right?

But the tissues are like half the size

of a regular tissue.

And she goes,

we could just take the Sawzall and cut

the tissues in half.

And I'm like,

that's like taking a cannon...

It's like taking a cannon and...

And deer hunting.

Yeah.

And I don't mean like an old musket

ball cannon, like a... Yeah,

pirate cannon.

I'm like, first of all,

the tissues are going everywhere.

You're not even going to get through the

tissues before that thing is whipping them

all over the place.

Just cut it in half with a sawzall.

You know,

that sounds like a great idea in theory.

Or we could not do that at all.

I said, or we could use scissors.

Because they're tissues.

Yeah.

Because it's paper.

It's literally made out of paper.

Oh, look at David with the subtle flex.

My wife beat some games athletes in the

deadlift workout,

but don't make a big deal out of

it.

Yeah.

I would be tooting her horn.

life everybody is all about collecting

coins it's like mario yep it's like super

mario brother the more coins you can

collect and bag up for later use the

better your marriage will be absolutely

all right i have been i changed out

all the toilet seats today in the house

surprise i'm surprising her with that

she'll probably come home and say i didn't

put him in the right location

but did you do them in the right

order?

Yeah.

All right, guys.

Don't forget to buy your third Z third

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Tomorrow we will not be on the air.

Tomorrow is my heart surgery.

Hopefully everything goes well.

Procedure starts at eight thirty a.m.

Eastern time.

So hopefully I'll be out and in recovery

two hours after that.

And then they said it's about four hours

before they let us go home.

So sometime afternoon,

I should be getting home.

And then we'll see how I feel on

Thursday.

So with that,

we will see you hopefully Thursday,

Thursday, Thursday, Thursday.

Hopefully we see you for Thursday,

Thursday.

Good old Thursday, Thursday.

And thank you all for the thoughts and

prayers.

Always appreciate those.

And we will see you guys then.

Hope you have a great rest of your

day and we'll see you soon.

Bye.